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Your main objective in chapter II is to investigate in order to find Azar Javed. Your investigation begins in cooperation with a local detective, Raymond (M8.2), as a part of Q2.27 Vizima Confidential. In order to expose Azar you have to work on 6 suspects. These include: Ramsmeat, local underground leader, Thaler the fence, city guard captain Vincent Meis, alchemist Kalkstein, merchanet Leuvaarden and a dwarf named Golan Vivaldi. Accusing any of them is always a mistake from your side – if you want to make things right, you have to prove their innocence. The guide doesn’t follow all the wrong decisions you might take – but we have all the right ones in stock.
The funny thing is that all the suspects are innocent, and beginning from phase 15 of Q2.27. Vizima Confidential, Raymond is actually dead – Azar himself is impersonating him by using his magical skills. Your decisions determine whether you find out about his trick or not, and the consequences of your choices here will play their part at the end of chapter III. Here is probably the shortest way to deal with the problem:
- Finish the quest Q2.23. Prison Break and go to Raymond’s house (M8.2), thus beginning Q2.27. Vizima Confidential.
- When conducting the research, finish Q2.28 The Crown Witness and gain Kalkstein’s trust along with the quest Q2.29 Mysterious Tower (2 books for that).
- Take a suspect list from Raymond (Ramsmeat, Leuvaarden, Thaler) and talk to each of them. This way all the “Suspect” quests should enter phase 2.
- When Azar, impersonating Raymond from now on, tells you to perform autopsy, go to the Gravedigger (M8.36) and initiate Q2.65. Gravedigger’s Gratitude.
- Now you will have to prove either Thaler’s or Vincent’s innocence (Q2.31. Suspect: Thaler or Q2.26. Suspect: Vincent Meis). Thaler will cancel the gravedigger’s debt, and Vincent will give you a pass to the cemetery. Either way you’ll get access to the graveyard.
- Go back to Azar-Raymond (M8.2) and don’t tell him you found out the truth, in order to set a trap for him near the Stone Tower (M10.19) on the swamp.
- Finish the quest Q2.29 Mysterious Tower (and all the sub-quests related), and then Q2.58 Monoliths, then enter the tower.
After leaving the tower with the book you found there, you’ll expose Azar. Chapter II will be over when you battle him and the Professor.
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comments and responses
| Thanks for the kind words. I fully understand how frustrating it can be when you get 'stuck'. I generally enjoy helping when I can unless it is a request for the precise location of 'X'. I assume these are players of games like Doom who don't want to be bothered with exploring, and want to finish the game in record time. Like there's some kind of prize for that. These guides are helpful to most, but one really needs to immerse oneself in the story line in RPGs, and use the guide as a hint, not a go-by. You will find quests or items not mentioned in the guide, and it will become a most enjoyable past time. My general rules for these type games, keep a save game from key points like the beginning of each Chapter and at key decision points. Key decision points are those where there are multiple dialog options but it is obvious you are only going to get to choose one.
If you are the type who likes to explore the entire map and uncover every detail, then I suggest Gothic 3 and the one I am immersed in now Two Worlds. Gothic 3 has a community patch (non-development team) that seems to fix a lot of the 'bugs' that made it annoying for some and unplayable for others. There is a great demo of Two Worlds available for download that gives you plenty of gameplay to get immersed and teased, but there is a lot more to the actual game.
On the personal note, just let me say that the screen name is an indicator of my approach to these games. I am a melee fighter, only use magic to dispatch things that are now easy to kill just to speed up battles. Mongo is a character from the movie Blazing Saddles (picture is from movie)played by Alex Karras, just to give you an idea of how old I am, I remember Alex from watching him play pro football for the Detroit Lions.this post has been modified by its author [2008-04-20 01:35:50] | Mongo1 20/04/2008 00:33 |  | I just wanted to say to Mongo1...
You are truly a Godsend.
I'm done with The Witcher for the time being and as always I'm sure one day 6-8 months from now I'll reload it and check for updates and etc, etc, as I've done with many games (Neverwinter Nights 2 still frustrates me cause that camera is so SO bad!)
But Mr. Mongo...
I appreciate the time you took to help a girl gamer.
Didn't fix my problem, but you were quick and really tried.
I wish there were more of you out there.
Witcher is a GREAT game, probably my favorite ever, just the few quest break oppurtunities are too frustrating for me.
I know it was Russian so maybe it happened in translation.
Anyway...I have a killer PC...
Wouldn't mind having a Mongo friend come and "show me how to use it"
*giggles*
Just teasing you... ;)
Thanks for trying and...Smile! | Sonatarose 19/04/2008 13:55 | | Well, if you want to take a breather, I would wait until the new version comes out next month. If you are a registered owner, you will be able to download a patch that will transform your game into the new version. They claim it will be bug free, and have additional dialog in the English and a few other language versions. The increased dialog should help with the vagueness of the story line WRT choices and consequences. I posted a link to the news release at the witcher web site on another thread (see main quest - 3). this post has been modified by its author [2008-04-19 02:33:08] | Mongo1 19/04/2008 01:31 | | Sorry to double post but I just wanted to edit that "Conrad"
I meant Coleman...
If he hadn't got killed because of what I did in Chapter 1 I could do the gravedigger quest using Vincent... | Sonatarose 19/04/2008 00:41 | | Shani has no more comments...
After making love she laid on the bed. I clicked on her on the bed and she said "We'll talk later"
Then later after leaving and returning it just goes back to two regular dialog choices that were always there and grayed because I asked them.
After the party she told me about Thaler and her going together and her acting like she passed out from a broken heart and over hearing the conversation and who he really is, but this doesn't make it so that Thaler is innocent.
I think it's due to framing Kalkstien.
It caused the Suspect Thaler quest in the journal to disappear without ever saying it was completed.
It isn't X'ed out red as if unfinishable...it just disappeared and is no longer in the list at all.
Oh well...
I think it's a beautifully made game and has a great storyline but I think it wasn't thoroughly tested.
I'm fearing to see how many quests I could mess up by not doing what the game makers expected later in the game and I don't feel like starting over...
Seems to me I have to read here before I do anything or it may break a quest line and if I have to read what to do first then it isn't really like me playing the game.
They shouldn't have Conrad get killed maybe and then at least I could use Vincent.
Anyway, thanks for your time. | Sonatarose 19/04/2008 00:36 |  | Like I responded, you did not get the entire dialog with Shani where she gives you proof of Thaler's innocence which opens up the additional dialog from Thaler. I don't know if that option is still available to you, but I would try more dialog with Shani before moving on. You will have to make some other bad decisions that impact the game later to procede without getting in the cemetary now. | Mongo1 18/04/2008 23:38 | | I have this exact same problem (Can't get in cemetery) and posted about it yesterday in the Suspect Thaler area of this FAQ.
Thank you LordEomer for letting me know that I can at least get in the cemetery without starting this way back at a VERY old save.
I guess I'll just continue on and get in during Chapter 3.
The way this worked out seems to me as if the game makers never did things the way I did so they didn't actually know you could get stuck this way.
Kind of like a glitch.
I let the guys at the shore take the items in Chapter 1 which causes Conrad to die eliminating a cemetery pass from Vincent...
Then I framed Kalkstien not knowing that I even had a choice (I was happy thinking I found the right person until I read here) which doesn't count as making Thaler innocent, for some reason.
Even after the party with Shani, Thaler just tells you to F*** off instead of letting you clear the gravedigger's debt.
Oh well, seems like it forces me now to do things "the wrong way" for the rest of this chapter and not get in the cemetery until Chapter 3, but at least I know I'll get in there eventually.
| Sonatarose 18/04/2008 23:24 | | Well, you may have resolved it, but you missed out on a lot. I doubt you killed Azar just yet, he knocks you out and he and the professor escape to fight another day. Triss rescues you and that started the next act/chapter. You may be able to go back and talk to Shani and have the party, IF you do it before deciding on Alvin's fate. | Mongo1 05/02/2008 00:19 |  | Thank you Mongo1, but I had a dialogue with Shani at past. I resolved this problem with completing Monolith quest and then killing Azar Javed in the Swamp. Then the importance of Thaler and Vincent Meis' innocence are finished.
At last, I could go to the Trade Quarter and could enter the cemetery in Chapter III. Thank you for your reply. | LordEomer 04/02/2008 14:05 |  | I was at the same point and almost started over, BUT you need to go see Shani at the House, and hope the party dialog trigger has been met. You have to bring booze and a guest, there are several choices for your guest. Sometime during the party, dialog with Shani, she gives you proof of Thaler's innocence. You will then be able to get the pass after he forgives the gravedigger's debt. After party talk to Thaler, then the gravedigger, he will then let you into the cemetary, and thus the crypt. Not sure what triggers the party dialog, but hopefully when you go to see her, there will be a new dialog option. | Mongo1 30/01/2008 20:38 | | I finished the suspect list (Thaler and Vincent Meis) but couldn't find a way to enter the cemetery.. After finishing suspect: Thaler and Vincent, continuously, there isnt any sentence or any word for the pass.
In the earlier dialogue, Vincent says "You should prove me innocent, then I could give you the cemetery pass." But after warehouse and trophy missions, there is nothing in the dialogue. Perhaps I said wrong things. But an Interesting note, The Suspect:Vincent Meis is done in my quest list.
And after speaking with gravedigger, then when i see the Thaler, there isn't any gravedigger's gratitude quest dialogue. What should I do? Reload from an earlier save? pff.... Isnt any way to pass? | LordEomer 30/01/2008 12:29 | | SPOILER WARNING !
You can prove Vincent innocent by going into the warehouse at night in the slums district, after proving him innocent you can go to raymond to start the autopsy objective, only after staring autospy objective can you enter into the cementry, goto the gravedigger he will tell you that either Thaler or Vincent can let you enter into the cementry now go to Vincent he will give you an authorization as a favour for proving him innocent. | gamecrazy 24/12/2007 09:16 | | yeah you have to do that
or else reload from an earlier save :)
And please reply if everything worked out fine or not
this post has been modified by its author [2007-12-24 03:42:15] | shamikchand 24/12/2007 02:36 |  | ahh... what happens if I'm an idiot and have got to the stage where I have spoiler start
killed Ramsmeat
spoiler stop and I didn't know that spoiler start
Raymond isn't Raymond
spoiler stop . So now the Gravedigger wont let me into the graveyard and I can't find spoiler start
Real Raymonds dead body
spoiler stop .
Do I just have to go along with Raymond and hope it'll all work out?
Please help. | shadyraven 23/12/2007 11:08 | | what will I do if i blame kalkstein by mistake?can i still talk to him after the quest of the tower | Witcher_Player 18/12/2007 00:15 | |
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